The Pocket...

[dr-funkenstein]

Originally posted by Sweep:
'Pocket' makes me think of Jeff Pocaro, Steve Ferrone, John Robinson, Steve Gadd + many more [img]smile.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">speaking of john robinson- check out a clip of him playing to a track @ a clinic.

http://homepage.mac.com/matthughen/

[Sweep]

I have done, cheers....

That pretty much sums it all up for me [img]cool.gif[/img]

[Lee Collins]

Originally posted by dr-funkenstein:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Sweep:
'Pocket' makes me think of Jeff Pocaro, Steve Ferrone, John Robinson, Steve Gadd + many more [img]smile.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">speaking of john robinson- check out a clip of him playing to a track @ a clinic.

http://homepage.mac.com/matthughen/</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks man, downloading now. Funny, I heard 'all night long' the other day and it made me think,
that drum sound was sooo fat, it was the sound that inspired me to yamaha drums back then, but more importantly, JR's playing on it is fantastic.

edit: wow, that's the first time I've ever seen JR playing. So laid back, and what a great chaka khan tune. I had a video once of chaka live at the roxy with steve ferrone playing drums, and they played that same tune. He really rocked as well.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 05, 2005 10:35 AM: Message edited by: Rudy_Ment ]</font>

[cjbdrm]

Boy, JR would FLIP if he knew his mojo was posted publicly...(downloading)

Ironically, the 'live' version he's playing to here breathes a little(fluctuates), it drags in certain sections...(not that he was struggling, but it's not what he's used to).

It wouldn't be my first choice to exemplify a "pocket", but I enjoyed it anyway. Thanks.

BTW- he nearly busted out a blushda about 3/5's of the way in...

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 06, 2005 09:36 AM: Message edited by: cjbdrm ]</font>

[Sweep]

OK...... what would be then?

[Sweep]

I always get the impression that 'pocket' players (especially JR) usually are aiming for a backbeat slightly behind the beat.

A few of the tracks on the live Chaka album Stompin at the Savoy are so behind the beat that they slow down.

This kind of pocket playing seems to me to be a little out of fashion at the moment with some modern R&B/hip-hop programmed beats that have 2 + 4 ahead.

[davfrancis]

Gotta love Stomping at the Savoy.

I liked it so much I bought it twice!

(I am actually not joking either...I am ashamed to say)

[got_a_matchgrip]

One of my favs was "Don't You Forget About Me" - Simple Minds (Mel Gaynor). The kick drum work, the 'big fill' in the middle, and the ad-lib hi-hat barks on the out chorus are absolutely killing. In the drum machine 80's, that song gave me assurance that not all 'pop' music was crap

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DITTO, that. Also, Si on P Townshend's 'Give Blood,' for another... /;c) [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

A few of the tracks on the live Chaka album Stompin at the Savoy are so behind the beat that they slow down.
This kind of pocket playing seems to me to be a little out of fashion at the moment with some modern R&B/hip-hop programmed beats that have 2 + 4 ahead.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Absolutely correct. Just listen to T Campbell [A Mydol], A Spears [Usher], B F Moore [Xtina, Janet, Britney, etc], many of the hip-hop/r&b/pop drummers now & the like, & you'll usually hear exactly what you're talking about...

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 06, 2005 03:18 PM: Message edited by: got_a_match_grip? ]</font>

[Groovesmitty]

Pocket and Groove are synonomous.
A groove is a small trench. It's below the surface. A pocket is also a space below the surface. To me, the musical definition is being consistantly (slightly) behind the beat.
Another reason why the session all stars prefer to not bury the click. That does not create a pocket.

[got_a_matchgrip]

Originally posted by Groovesmitty:
Pocket and Groove are synonomous.
A groove is a small trench. It's below the surface. A pocket is also a space below the surface. To me, the musical definition is being consistantly (slightly) behind the beat.
Another reason why the session all stars prefer to not bury the click. That does not create a pocket.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I tend to agree with that. [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]